The web resource for UK amateur radio repeaters from the RSGB Emerging Technology Co-ordination Committee

ETCC POSITION ON 2 METRE BAND DEVELOPMENT
ETCC Position statement on 2 Metre band GMSK Proposals
Amateurs who use the 144MHz band will be only too well aware of the congestion being experienced in this band especially in the Midlands and South East.
To enable the ETCC to make an informed decision on best use of the band in the future, a complete frequency re-planning exercise was carried out for England and Wales, using computer simulation and taking existing repeaters as the base model.
The output of this exercise was a new plan which re-assigned frequencies with a probability of less then 5% interference but with NO spare capacity. When additional repeaters were entered into the model, the interference level increased to unacceptable levels. This suggests that maximum use of available channels has already been reached in central and southern England.
As a consequence of this, the ETCC have agreed that proposals for GMSK nodes in this band can no longer be recommended to Ofcom unless the proposal incorporates a plan to either:
a) close down an existing repeater in the area, replacing it with a digital node at a location which retains the same general coverage characteristics.
b) or convert the repeater to dual mode working.
Dual mode working in this context means analogue and digital operation on the same site using the same frequency.
Click here for pdf copy of this statement.

FURTHER EXPLANATION / COMMENT
The ETCC has been under pressure to accommodate a number of additional 2 Metre stations not only for the new D-Star mode but additional analog stations have been proposed.
This has caused difficulty particularly in the Midlands, central southern and south-east England where channel occupancy is approaching saturation.
There have been comments made about the number of under-used and poorly performing repeaters that are in effect preventing new entrants from obtaining channels.
It has become clear that it is not possible to create a new overlay digital network on top of the existing analog repeater network, nor does the RSGB have the power to close down repeaters that may be under performing.
The exercise in re-planning the 2 metre band was suggested by a number of amateurs as a way of possibly finding additional capacity, but the exercise showed that we were already at maximum occupancy for acceptable levels of interference and lead to the ETCC statement published in the Autumn of 2008.
There will still be small areas in the south and south-east where 2 Metre stations may be accommodated in the existing plan, but the ETCC felt it was prudent to adopt a plan of encouraging a twin mode operation or encourage development on a one-out, one-in basis.
The re-planning exercise is not itself up for debate, but similar exercises can be done by anyone with suitable planning software who will be able to see for themselves the constraints that exist and examine the levels of interference that may be found with the same or additional stations added to the plan. With a so-called blank canvas not constrained by existing sites it would be possible to generate idealised networks that would doubtless achieve near blanket coverage for both analog and digital networks, but we are constrained by what has developed historically and even poorly-performing or under-used repeaters are often jealously protected by their patrons who may have expended considerable money and effort in these projects over the years.
The ETCC statement on 2 Metre development seeks to make best use of the existing resources and encourage the user community to think carefully before seeking additional repeaters in an area that is already well-served, in some parts excessively so.
Any amateur with a new application for the area in question can still seek advice so that any available options will be identified and advice will be given.

Comments

phillip hardacre
17 Jun 2010, 02:30
beleive it or not some people dont want dstar, icom make dstar repeaters for 1.2gig and radios for that band too put them all there.
bob parsons gw1csu
01 Feb 2010, 22:57
I think you guys are right keep digital d-stars on 70cm & above,plenty of room there to experiment.
If range is a issue interlink them!
Review the situation after a while,then see if change is needed.

Its bad enough the 6m & 2m band is muddled up with wide and narrow deviation settings on repeaters and users of old & new equipment either not knowing or just confused,let alone putting digital modes in the mix too with dual mode on 2m band.
Keep it simple,keep it analogue
MICK THOMPSON
10 Nov 2009, 12:43
EASY SOLVED, PUT ALL DSTAR REPEATERS ON 70CM SIMPLE.THEN 70CM WILL GET MORE USE
Richard Corso
04 Aug 2009, 10:37
This is typical of the UK these days - disorganised and underfunded. ALL D-Star systems should be on 70cm and above and NOT on 2M. Many of the inactive repeaters should also be moved onto 70cm. This way you end up with a reasonable amount of bandwidth for local QSO's and very active repeaters.
What's the problem there - no recrystallising, simply move the problem to a very un-utilised band - 70cm
Andy C
16 Apr 2009, 22:22
There's a simple answer: if there is no room on 2m then use 70cm and bring more activity to a much underused band.
Ian Foord
23 Mar 2009, 16:13
As a repeater / comms eng for many years i fully agree with the ETCC statment re the 2m band . Down hear in sussex we have almost no dstar coverage and if that means "re jiging"
the channels to free up some space ,then so be it . If a repeater is so old that i cant make a freq change ,them may be it should not be on air at all .
Ian G0TJH Tech for GB3LR / SR / BR
Rob Compton
20 Mar 2009, 18:55
I'm sorry, but I don't agree. The ETCC should see to re-plan the 2m repeater network. The cost of re-programming or re-crystalling the equipment is negligable in comparison with the benefit to ALL radio amateurs. It would be a good exercise for repeater keepers/operators to give their equipment a well earned spot of preventative maintenance.

If the RSGB/ETCC has no power to directly revoke NoV's, then the support of Ofcom should be counselled. If it means that voice repeater NoV's become renewable on a bi-annual, or tri-annual basis, then there would be pressure on keepers to maintain their existing equipment. Repeaters that do not perform should be given the chance to up their performance/re-site or relinquish the channel to someone that is willing to put the effort in.

There are too many small groups who do not have the means to operate repeaters properly, and their half hearted approach does nothing more than damage the "network". Yes, there is a reduction in the number of users, quite dramatically, but those users often feel that repeaters are a "right" and something that they do not have to pay for/donate to/support.

What we are seeing now is the survival of the fittest, yet the repeater network is being dragged down by the sick and unwilling, and it is very frustrating.

It is also very frustrating when sick and ailing repeaters refuse the help of the larger groups (which may have been replacement equipment, or a better site, or both), all because of personal issues. It is the end-users that suffer.

And finally - it should be mandatory that repeater keepers are *NOT* particulars withheld, or at least issue a mobile telephone number or a valid email address such that members of the amateur public can contact them directly.

I'm sure that Mr McCullagh will have plenty of reasons why it can't be done, even though there are very good reasons why it should be done - namely good housekeeping of the amateur network, and the duty of care to amateur radio VHF mobile operating in the UK.

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